walking_dude
09-20 12:41 PM
While we are at discussing participation, a question I heard at DC comes to my mind. A member ( anil_sap?) asked another Texan member ( forgot name) - 'What takes you to become an Active member?'. To which my friend answered - 'Isn't he active alredy. He is here'.
That made me think - is being active a nebulous concept. Who's is the real active member of IV? The Core and near-core that strategize, plan , co-ordinate and conduct the business? The guys subscribed to monthly payment but missed DC? Guys who were at DC but not monthly contributors? Guys who were there all 4 days? Guys who visited for a day? "Lunch-Break" agitators? Who is 'active' among these will depend on whom you ask!
The following portion is in humor. Don't take it in bad spirit.
I did a self-evaluation, and guess-what, I realized I was a different breed. A 'Know-Nothing' IV member!
Being a IV member
1) Do I know why was such a mass mobilization done on that particular day? Is it because there was a push for STRIVE act as speculated in the forums here? Or is it SKIL we are pushing?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
2) What is the criteria for getting selected for Lawmaker meetings? Why weren't some selected after following the USCIS-inspired process? ( inspired by Marks skit)
Step 1 : Submit Labor petition E-IV-LOBBYDAY ( twice)
Step 2 : Verification by Labor department (or is it Name check)
Step 3 : Receipt Notice ( Talking Points)
Step 4 : Waiting...
Step 5 : Followup with RO (Rally Officer). You are still under Processing Time
Step 6 : Waiting...
Step 7 : More followup..
Step 8 : Retrogression due to insufficient (visa) numbers
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
3) Didn't some members from my state attend Lawmakers meetings? What was the result? Where they positive or negative about our cause? What should we do to followup with them?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
4) What does it takes to become an 'Active' member as defined by Anil? What will take for IV to trust a member enough to let him know of the purported plan for World-Domination? Or should we just remain content gossiping (with near-core members) and making our own guesses?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
5) Does my State chapter even exist as of today? Or is it an IV version of Flying Sphaggeti Monster, that we should worship without questioning?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
With so many 'KNOW NOTHINGS' to my credit, I feel like the member of a secret American political party in the time of the Whigs.
That made me think - is being active a nebulous concept. Who's is the real active member of IV? The Core and near-core that strategize, plan , co-ordinate and conduct the business? The guys subscribed to monthly payment but missed DC? Guys who were at DC but not monthly contributors? Guys who were there all 4 days? Guys who visited for a day? "Lunch-Break" agitators? Who is 'active' among these will depend on whom you ask!
The following portion is in humor. Don't take it in bad spirit.
I did a self-evaluation, and guess-what, I realized I was a different breed. A 'Know-Nothing' IV member!
Being a IV member
1) Do I know why was such a mass mobilization done on that particular day? Is it because there was a push for STRIVE act as speculated in the forums here? Or is it SKIL we are pushing?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
2) What is the criteria for getting selected for Lawmaker meetings? Why weren't some selected after following the USCIS-inspired process? ( inspired by Marks skit)
Step 1 : Submit Labor petition E-IV-LOBBYDAY ( twice)
Step 2 : Verification by Labor department (or is it Name check)
Step 3 : Receipt Notice ( Talking Points)
Step 4 : Waiting...
Step 5 : Followup with RO (Rally Officer). You are still under Processing Time
Step 6 : Waiting...
Step 7 : More followup..
Step 8 : Retrogression due to insufficient (visa) numbers
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
3) Didn't some members from my state attend Lawmakers meetings? What was the result? Where they positive or negative about our cause? What should we do to followup with them?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
4) What does it takes to become an 'Active' member as defined by Anil? What will take for IV to trust a member enough to let him know of the purported plan for World-Domination? Or should we just remain content gossiping (with near-core members) and making our own guesses?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
5) Does my State chapter even exist as of today? Or is it an IV version of Flying Sphaggeti Monster, that we should worship without questioning?
Ans - I KNOW NOTHING
With so many 'KNOW NOTHINGS' to my credit, I feel like the member of a secret American political party in the time of the Whigs.
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Prasad_FL
05-19 07:22 PM
I have donated $100. Transaction ID: 37W122922L450784L. I have reserved my tickets to DC(June 5th - 9th).
Go IV.
Go IV.
gg_ny
09-20 02:27 PM
Forming human chain may involve actually holding hands.. and might turnout to be unhygienic to many. How about hunger strike - for a day or two - and it is also good for health. A better option would be -DONATE a day's salary to IV on a particular day..I am in for it: Nov 9th?
I am not being jsut sarcastic here: just curious to know, of the 20K+ people who had directly benefited by IV between July 17 and Aug 17, how many were there in the rally? July fiasco is the one that has made many immi community professionals to look up to IV mainly because PEOPLE directly benefited from IV's efforts. Still it would be worthwhile to analyze the response and attitudes of IV users/members in general, and fiasco beneficiaries in particular, before getting carried away by the euphoria of the moment to plan for rallies in state capitals, SFO etc.
Just because you can go on a city's roads with permission, does not mean that you should do it compulsively nor over do it. SJ and DC rallies made the point: caught the media and lawmakers' attention. Do one every month, then it will be a joke.
I am not being jsut sarcastic here: just curious to know, of the 20K+ people who had directly benefited by IV between July 17 and Aug 17, how many were there in the rally? July fiasco is the one that has made many immi community professionals to look up to IV mainly because PEOPLE directly benefited from IV's efforts. Still it would be worthwhile to analyze the response and attitudes of IV users/members in general, and fiasco beneficiaries in particular, before getting carried away by the euphoria of the moment to plan for rallies in state capitals, SFO etc.
Just because you can go on a city's roads with permission, does not mean that you should do it compulsively nor over do it. SJ and DC rallies made the point: caught the media and lawmakers' attention. Do one every month, then it will be a joke.
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vjkypally
11-15 01:31 PM
Flower campaign wasnt started by iv (atleast not by the seniors), it slowly gathered momentum on its own and produced results. After seeing this bulletin I ve lost hope in all this lobbying and stuff. We need publicity and more of it. Fasting for a day if organized by iv could bring more results.
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vjkypally
11-15 11:54 AM
How about we fast while America feast campaign? If we can manage press coverage, it will hurt where it matters. No body likes others fasting while they feast.
Macaca
09-20 01:42 PM
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aren't buried until 75
Benjamin Franklin
aren't buried until 75
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raju123
02-11 11:30 AM
I know, what you said and I agree as well. It is universal truth that every one has priority. We know the science experimental story:
Monkey mother and her small kid were trap inside the water tank and water is slowly rise. Mother took care of her kid and hold to her belly. Water further rose and she hold her kid to chest. water further rose and she hold kid on her head. Now water come to her nose and she tried to stand on her toe. Still water was rising and finally she threw her kid and stand on her and tried to survive.
Moral of the story:
Compete America is pushing H1B/EB together but when they will have only one to select, they will go for H1B. I don't see any thing wrong on it.
Think that If IV have only one choice between EB provision and H1B. What IV will select?
I know CA promotes both , but issue is whether they do that equally.
I have a feeling h1b is more on agenda.
Just that you belive what they are saying....either way u will see when h1b gets increased without eb reform.
Monkey mother and her small kid were trap inside the water tank and water is slowly rise. Mother took care of her kid and hold to her belly. Water further rose and she hold her kid to chest. water further rose and she hold kid on her head. Now water come to her nose and she tried to stand on her toe. Still water was rising and finally she threw her kid and stand on her and tried to survive.
Moral of the story:
Compete America is pushing H1B/EB together but when they will have only one to select, they will go for H1B. I don't see any thing wrong on it.
Think that If IV have only one choice between EB provision and H1B. What IV will select?
I know CA promotes both , but issue is whether they do that equally.
I have a feeling h1b is more on agenda.
Just that you belive what they are saying....either way u will see when h1b gets increased without eb reform.
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rsdang
06-23 05:26 PM
Just got off the phone. The Lady said she is getting hundreds of these calls. She also said the Rep smith had not made his position public. She asked if I was part of the same group that has been calling. I said yes but I am calling on behalf of all the legal immigrants who would like to see a better streamlined process so that thousands of tax payers in US can breath a sigh.
lets keep the calls coming.
lets keep the calls coming.
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smaram1
05-19 11:40 PM
I did a one time $100 contribution during 2007 Fiasco as i know it was all because of IV. I stayed away from Donating to IV after Donor - Non Donor fights.
I know IV is doing wonderful job and i want to chip in here....Before that i want to know if this is separate drive or can i get Donor status?
Thanks
I know IV is doing wonderful job and i want to chip in here....Before that i want to know if this is separate drive or can i get Donor status?
Thanks
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needhelp!
02-13 04:44 PM
Things are going to start heating up if you try to overtake me.
Thank you abhijitp, waiting4gc and needhelp! These are some great pointers, and my chances sound better already. I am going to see what I can do :) Things have picked up a little on my numbers today, happy to say at 163 now!
Thank you abhijitp, waiting4gc and needhelp! These are some great pointers, and my chances sound better already. I am going to see what I can do :) Things have picked up a little on my numbers today, happy to say at 163 now!
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gcpuzzle
09-19 06:01 PM
Way to go logiclife ...
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Well, to all skeptics ...time will tell where stupidity lies.
Way to go IV, will never let ourselves down. Rally is just a begining ...
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Well, to all skeptics ...time will tell where stupidity lies.
Way to go IV, will never let ourselves down. Rally is just a begining ...
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aspiration
06-24 04:32 PM
I think all of us seems to be responding with full force when the core asked to call just one member Rep Lamar Smith..
Earlier when there was a long list of 8 to 10 members, folks takes a time to react and start calling in heavy numbers..
May be in future.. They can just give 2 to 3 reps and focus heavily for 2-3 days and then in second phase , second list targeting 2-3 members more.... and eventually one person gets the task to motivate members on one perticular sets of members and some one else can motivate for anohter list.
..Called Lamar Smith, Republican House Members , Called CHC and Local Representative..
So folks... Why wait when we can swing it and finish it off once for all..
So lets JUST DO IT ( Each and every call will be a steping stone for our future).
Earlier when there was a long list of 8 to 10 members, folks takes a time to react and start calling in heavy numbers..
May be in future.. They can just give 2 to 3 reps and focus heavily for 2-3 days and then in second phase , second list targeting 2-3 members more.... and eventually one person gets the task to motivate members on one perticular sets of members and some one else can motivate for anohter list.
..Called Lamar Smith, Republican House Members , Called CHC and Local Representative..
So folks... Why wait when we can swing it and finish it off once for all..
So lets JUST DO IT ( Each and every call will be a steping stone for our future).
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snathan
04-25 06:28 PM
Once you have contributed, please post on the thread and we can know how much closer we are from our target. IV chapter leaders and Team IV members will run this thread and count the contributions
-Which Thread or how to post ?
I have singned up for $50 recurring contribution and willing to volunteer...
Thanks
-Which Thread or how to post ?
I have singned up for $50 recurring contribution and willing to volunteer...
Thanks
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suniel2008
05-19 06:29 PM
Just made a $100 contribution through Personal Check.
Hi guys,
i have been a silent admirer of IV so far but looking at the constuctive steps IV has been taking i registered today and mailed a $100 personal check.IV is doing a greta job and carrying everybody together with a great spirit.keep it up
Hi guys,
i have been a silent admirer of IV so far but looking at the constuctive steps IV has been taking i registered today and mailed a $100 personal check.IV is doing a greta job and carrying everybody together with a great spirit.keep it up
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bfadlia
01-13 04:42 PM
you are half right, the country quota laws were put much earlier than the off shoring companies, but remember that the retrogression only started in the last 10 years when those companies came in the picture and skewed the lines .. that's ur cause and effect!
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
You're confusing the cause-and-effect. The country quota laws were put in MUCH earlier than any offshoring companies started doing H1s. It might in fact be the opposite, meaning that these companies are hiring qualified people who weren't getting GCs.
And besides these companies are all software cos that came up in the last 10 yrs, why should that stupid rule affect any person in a non-software field?
Yes we know that the current rules make the journey longer. The point is that it is unfair and that's why we should start trying to change it!
Basically it is very difficult to understand another person's pain. Especially when you're set up to gain from it.
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
You're confusing the cause-and-effect. The country quota laws were put in MUCH earlier than any offshoring companies started doing H1s. It might in fact be the opposite, meaning that these companies are hiring qualified people who weren't getting GCs.
And besides these companies are all software cos that came up in the last 10 yrs, why should that stupid rule affect any person in a non-software field?
Yes we know that the current rules make the journey longer. The point is that it is unfair and that's why we should start trying to change it!
Basically it is very difficult to understand another person's pain. Especially when you're set up to gain from it.
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addsf345
01-12 06:26 PM
Hi All,
I got a notice from uscis on sept 24th stating that my 485 has been withdrawn as my previous employer withdrew my 140. I filed in july 2007 , and ported to a new job in April 2008. I filed an MTR on 24th Sept, but the status of the MTR is still received and pending. Its going to be 180 days since my 485 has been withdrawn on march 9th. And my lawyer is saying that i have to leave this country if we dont get the MTR accepted before 180 days.
Gurus could you please suggest some ideas on all possible steps that can be taken..
Thanks
As per my knowledge, your lawyer waited too long and he/she may not be very well versed in immigration matters. When MTR is pending and If you do not receive anything within 60 to 90 days, you should immediately file an appeal in court. This is what I read on some forums, but I am not a lawyer, consult a good attorney soon. You need a seasoned professional immigration lawyer for this. Wish you very best of luck!
I got a notice from uscis on sept 24th stating that my 485 has been withdrawn as my previous employer withdrew my 140. I filed in july 2007 , and ported to a new job in April 2008. I filed an MTR on 24th Sept, but the status of the MTR is still received and pending. Its going to be 180 days since my 485 has been withdrawn on march 9th. And my lawyer is saying that i have to leave this country if we dont get the MTR accepted before 180 days.
Gurus could you please suggest some ideas on all possible steps that can be taken..
Thanks
As per my knowledge, your lawyer waited too long and he/she may not be very well versed in immigration matters. When MTR is pending and If you do not receive anything within 60 to 90 days, you should immediately file an appeal in court. This is what I read on some forums, but I am not a lawyer, consult a good attorney soon. You need a seasoned professional immigration lawyer for this. Wish you very best of luck!
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kandhu
06-01 10:52 AM
I have contributed $50 for DC advocacy thru PayPal.
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akbose
04-26 12:28 PM
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Happy to be a part of IV .
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gcisadawg
05-17 09:32 PM
done! thanks for the opportunity!
kushaljn
06-27 02:25 PM
Just called. She first said that she will put me on as a supporter. But since I am not from his district, they are collecting all those names in a separate pool.
So looks like people from his district calling is more important and carries more weight.
So looks like people from his district calling is more important and carries more weight.
yoda
09-21 11:09 AM
Let us give IV Core a few more days to think through and recommend the next course of action. Many must have returned home from DC only yesterday after being present even on Wed. after the majority of us had returned.
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